Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

Eagleskywalker87 on 12/18/2017 Reply  ·  Like  ·  (0 likes)

3/10*. And it’s the worst Star Wars movie because at least the prequels had a vision and some coherency.

eaglesflyhigh on 12/18/2017 Reply  ·  Like  ·  (2 likes)

I think that Last Jedi has the best character development in any Star Wars movie! Not just one character is focused in on, but Rey, Kylo, Poe and Luke's characters are so well developed in ways that we've never seen in any other movie! And it's so deep! So character development was definitely a strength here and was so unpredictable!

Eagleskywalker87 on 12/19/2017 Reply  ·  Like  ·  (0 likes)

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It has no character development. Rey starts off wanting guidance and help from Luke then is pushed to the side for most of it. Kylo's character goes too back and forwards. It also bothered me that he killed Snoke, fought the guards with Rey AND THEN becomes evil again making that entire scene dissatisfying. Poe is an unlikeable Han Solo rip-off that goes nowhere. Luke is ruined by having him attempt to kill Kylo in training. Luke's motivation was interesting but there was nothing more to him than that. It’s also not deep. Story was weak, characters were simple, there was no emotional attachment, no deep themes and no deep conflict. It wasn’t unpredictable at all and when there were surprising moments, I was angry about the execution. The mockery of the force, the execution in answering the mysteries of the Force Awakens and how once Luke actually died I didn’t care because it was so poorly handled. The writers had no guts. When a ship explodes with main characters in it; KILL THEM OFF. When a main character tries sacrificing themselves for the good of the galaxy; KILL THEM OFF. Instead, three small and forgettable background characters die in very dissatisfying conclusions.

eaglesflyhigh on 12/19/2017 Reply  ·  Like  ·  (2 likes)

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I understand your points especially the Leia scene, which I think was the worst part of the movie. That being said, force bonding between Rey and Kylo!! Never have we've seen dark and light work together until that Snoke scene, and never has the line between the light and dark been this convoluted in Star Wars!! As for Poe, the best part is that his and Finn's plan fail!! Rarely do you ever see an entire subplot that is developed for a large portion of the movie, just fail! Totally unpredictable, and you saw the change in Poe's character as he chose to back down during the battle on Crait, putting him in a better position to be a quality leader of the rebellion going forward. Also, Kylo never used light to kill Snoke. Snoke was right in saying Kylo had no conflict in him, he was totally darkside. He just wanted full control unlike his grandfather did, hence the mask crushing scene! Great Character development there!! But I agree with you that they missed the perfect opportunity to kill off a major character.

Eagleskywalker87 on 12/23/2017 Reply  ·  Like  ·  (1 like)

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I was hoping that Rey and Kylo were going to create a new order that was going to balanced the force but the writers pussied out because having a war and no grey area is more important than pushing a story into risktaking areas. As I said, Kylo going evil immediately after killing Snoke and fighting the guards makes that scene uncompelling from both a storytelling and emotional standpoint.

Yes, Poe's plan failed, but why doesn’t anyone tell them the plan instead of putting the entire resistance at fate? And why is Laura Dern promoted in Leia's absence? Who is she? Why didn’t they keep Ackbar alive instead of killing off screen? And the mutually part of the film goes nowhere so why write it in? So many questions that can only be answered by "oh, because without it we won’t have a film" which is just bad writing so matter how you look at it. Last Jedi is just one "oh, because without it we won’t have a film" circumstance after another which is why I hate it!

Kylo's character confused me. You say he was completely on the darkside and had the evil in him yet a lot of both Force Awakens and Last Jedi he had a lot of conflict in him, yet because it feels like he’s character is just going back and forwards, his struggle is pointless. Why have a struggle and have him fight with Rey to bring balance just not to commit to it? Even Rey is a poor character in this film. She had a solid arc in the last film but she could already do everything with the force. This means the strength of her character only relied on 1. Her relationship with Kylo. 2. Her relationship with Luke (a subplot that goes nowhere). 3. Who her parents are (which annoyed me as well). But since all of these are resolved before the last third of the film she had nothing to do. It even felt apparent to me as I was watching The last third since Rey was barely included in it and was pushed to the background besides lifting the rocks. I think not commenting to follow through with a character IS NOT character development or progession. I did liked the mask cushing scene, though, I will give you that.

Crapbaskets123 on 9/6/2022 Reply  ·  Like  ·  (0 likes)

The Phantom Menace doesn't even have a main character, and the characters we meet have literally no depth whatsoever. Even this film, with how flawed it is, did something better.

mrjedi on 12/19/2017 Reply  ·  Like  ·  (5 likes)

I understand why fans don't like the Luke in this movie. Think of it this way. Luke was the golden boy of the original trilogy, kinda like a Superman. Perfect, with very little flaws. This movie introduced the fact that maybe Luke is not perfect and maybe he makes mistakes like the rest of us. He is disappointed with himself over what happened and closes himself off like many of us would after a failure in our lives. The best characters in a story should be like a roller-coaster. There will be up's and downs. Luke is confronted by a several characters throughout the film that give him his confidence back. Without Luke's journey, the audience wouldn't get the payoff these scenes present (not saying which two characters, but one of them actually explains why Luke's journey was essential as a Master). I think Luke's scenes near the end of the film mean so much more because of where his character has been (mindset). Sometimes a hero needs to fall or loose their footing along the way for their journey to be more rewarding when they triumph in the end.

DaveintheCave on 1/20/2018 Reply  ·  Like  ·  (3 likes)

Luke made mistakes in the OT. In Empire specifically he doesn't listen to Yoda and goes off to confront Vader half-cocked, which very nearly ends in disaster. Leia (in my opinion) should have been the one with the arc as she had the least growth of the trio in the OT. Instead Han got reverted back to his old self and Luke loses his faith so that they can both learn lessons that they've already learned.

TommyDoyle2016 on 12/21/2017 Reply  ·  Like  ·  (1 like)

Ditto.

IloveMovie243 on 7/21/2021 Reply  ·  Like  ·  (0 likes)

TFA was pretty bad too, c’mon.

Crapbaskets123 on 9/6/2022 Reply  ·  Like  ·  (0 likes)

I feel like this is a pretty accurate description of the issues I have with this film. Sure, we could get mad at how they tackled Luke's character, but I feel that the direction taken with the character (or at least the premise of it) was good, and could have been used to effectively muddy the lines between the dark and light sides of the force and show the blindness that past Jedi Masters held. Unfortunately, the execution just didn't work out there