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Were these films written by the same out of tune people??
Yeah, both these movies SUCK in all honesty.
Joker. There is no competition here. One is a compelling masterpiece that is masterfully acted, atmospheric, and impactful, and the other is just a mindless action film that didn't even have Arnold in it until the end, who is the main selling point for the terminator series.
Didn't love Joker but I still acknowledge it as the good one in this discussion!