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Showdown between Casino Royale and The Bourne Ultimatum. Hard. HARD. HARD!!! So, hum...it's...argh! Casino Royale!
Jason Bourne > Daniel Craig (whom I refuse to call James Bond).
I can't choose, I'll just refresh the screen.
It is all about Bourne.
Casino Royale is THE Bond for the new generation. He busts some heads and has an interesting love story, unlike most Bond flicks. Additionally, Ultimatum isn't even the best of the Bourne films in my opinion. The Bourne Identity is the better picture, and I still think I'd go Casino Royale. Between the card playing and the volatile relationship between Bond and M, this proves to be one of the best Bond films ever made.
You know, I have to be honest, I don't like Casino Royale. Maybe the promise of a reboot of the Bond franchise left me hoping that they'd, I don't know, completely remake the character and random/unbelievable action sequences. The whole thing smacked of "been there, done that", except that it was so long compared to older Bond films that it was kind of tedious to get through. I love Daniel Craig, but they have never, to date, unlocked the potential for the Bond character.
Ultimatum was fun, but not as fresh and exciting as Casino Royale.
I've gotta go with Casino Royale. As a die hard Bond fan, I can say that not only do I approve of Craig, but he kicks more ass than Damon. And that's difficult for me to admit
Woah! Love both movies! I love Daniel Craig's James Bond but I'll never forget the adrenaline rush of watching the heart pumping conclusion of the Bourne trilogy!
Casino Royale proves the influence that the Bourne trilogy had. (And Quantum of Solace takes it even one step further.) Casino Royale is very, very high on my list of favorite 007 movies, but even though Ultimatum is not my favorite Bourne movie (that would be Supremacy), I prefer Bourne here. If we were talking about The Bourne Identity, I'd have to stop and think about it, but this one's no contest.
Am I the only one who thinks that all the Bourne movies are dull, incoherant and completely interchangeable? They are some of the most boring Hollywood films I've seen in ages. They are impossible to tell apart! At least CASINO ROYALE knew when to stop taking itself serious, had graceful camera work, a coherent screenplay about characters INTERACTING with each other and involving MOTIVATION. Seriously, I want all those hours watching the BOURNE movies back. It was like playing a really shitty videogame on a crappy old television set.
Agree with Protozoid on the first two Bourne movies, but I thought the 3rd was spectacular. Casino Royale was pretty solid, despite the poker scenes being awful....
Damon as Bourne > Craig as Bond. Do not get me wrong Royal is pretty awesome, but I am not a fan of this remake / early / unrefined bond.
Not even the best Bourne film can beat Casino Royale.
Bourne, all the way! I mean Bond is dead if Bourne shows up....
There would be no Casino Royale without Jason Bourne. Casino Royale is a spectacular Bond film, but The Bourne Ultimatum wins.
For all the hype that the "new" Bond was grittier and more realistic than previous incarnations (it was, but how hard was that to do?), it was still a mass of cliches, and not nearly so intelligent an action movie as ANY of the Bourne movies.
Throughout all of the bond movies I've seen, and that's all of them, I have never seen him f**k someone up with a pen! Bourne FTW!
Casino Royale is just like any other James Bond movie, where as The Bourne Ultimatum is more believable.
Don't overly love Bond movies or the Bourne series for that matter. Casino Royale was pure awesome from start to finish. 007 it is.
Although Ultimatum is essentially the best action movie I've seen, Casino Royale is much deeper. Bond is explored in a way we have never seen before. Casino Royale is not only the best Bond film to date, but also one of the best films from the 2000s decade.
You can't deny that the genre and idea of a thriller spy movie in the 2000s decade was significantly changed by the Bourne series. However, I honestly think Casino Royale is a better movie although that's because I find it more charming. The Daniel Craig James Bond is vastly different from the Pierce Brosnan James Bond or Sean Connery James Bond but that's not necessarily a bad thing. In fact, you'll find it's more true to the source material of the novels. The difference is almost a reflection of the world it is today - everchanging.
Casino Royale gives the audience moments to breath and soak in what has happened. The cinematography and camera angles are solid and aren't nearly as shaky or as Cloverfield-like in Bourne Ultimatum. I can actually see the amount of carnage that is going in a fight scene rather than a blur.
The shaky cam in Bourne Ultimatum was extremely distracting.I mean it was shaking even during conversations.Casino Royale had the better acting and story.Bond it is!
I do enjoy the Bourne Trilogy, more than I thought I would, and it is easy to see the influence that the series had on the Craig Bond films. That said, I still prefer Bond. Ultimatum, while still a good film, is the weakest of the original three Bourne films (although I still think that as a trilogy, they hold up very well, and none is especially weak compared to the other). Even against my favourite Bourne film, Supremacy, Casino Royale would still win. Bond is just a much more interesting character than Bourne, who while impressive, just isn't particularly engaging, interesting or charismatic. Plus the latter two movies really overdo the shaky cam, which Paul Greengrass is notorious for. Granted he puts it to good effect, and it does give the films a gritty, realistic edge, but by the end of Ultimatum I was getting bored and nauseated by it. Casino Royale manages to bring in some equally entertaining action set pieces without compromising cinematography. So primarily for these two reasons, although there are others, Casino Royale wins.
Casino Royale is a fantastic action movie and Eve Greene is stunning !
The Bourne Ultimatum grabs you and doesn't let go. The best part of Royale is the opening chase, the middle was rather stale and I didn't care for the ending. I'd put Royale slightly ahead of Supremacy, but not Identity and certainly not Ultimatum.
I thought Ultimatum was the strongest of the three Bourne's, took what the other two had and improved on them; the action was better, the pacing was better and it was the most engaging of the three. I really like Casino Royale, but I do prefer Ultimatum.
no question... Bourne is way better!
Casino Royale. These are both amazing, a start and a finish to their respective series. Casino Royale just gave me what I wanted though.
The Bourne series is amazing, all three are fantastic. They just can't compete with an expertly crafted film like Casino Royale.
Casino Royale. No contest.
I love both. The train station scene in Ultimatum is one of the most intense, pulse-pounding set pieces ever. Then again, Casino has plenty of stunning moments as well. I love Damon, I love Craig. Ultimatum is 21st overall on my list, Casino is 30th. So Ultimatum it is, by a hair.
Die hard Bond Fan so Casino Royale is my choice.
Bourne Ultimatum for me. Casino Royale was decent but I'm not a huge Bond fan to begin with.
Casino Royale > Bourne Ultimatum, Bond > Bourne
Pfft. Bourne. Easy.
Bourne Ultimatum gets the edge easily because Casino Royale was Bond trying WAY too hard to copy the superficial elements of B.U. ("edgier and more realistic").
Both are amazing spy films but Ultimatum is another level.
James Bond over Bourne here but it is close.
Movie vs. Movie it's hard too choose; both fiilms are high quality spy movies. CR seems to have borrowed some elements from BU, but there would be no Bourne without Bond so no winner in terms of originality. Ultimately, the Bourne movies , though good, all run together for me, but Casino Royale stands out from the Bond movies so it gets the win.
Bourne Ultimatum by far.
Watched both again in the last week and a bit. Ultimatum is really good but honestly all the Bourne sequels just feel like Bourne Identity without the mystery and intrigue that made that movie so great. Instead, Bourne just travels the globe getting into fights until he gets the answer to a major part of the past then immediately ending before "EXTREME WAYS ARE BACK AGAIN". Casino Royale takes a lot of influence from Bourne but I find Bond to be a more charmistic and compelling character. The plot is Casino is clever and (mostly) original. The action is far superior and they paired him with some great supporting characters. Even the 'modern world where no one can be trusted element" works so much better!
The Bourne Ultimatum.
The Bourne Ultimatum, comfortably.
It has a much tighter and better plot, way better pacing and a far superior soundtrack. I'd give a solid 8/10.
on Aug 1
The Bourne Ultimatum is the neatest of the franchise.