Dawn of the Planet of the Apes vs. Snowpiercer

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I'd have to say Snowpiercer as well.

I don't think either of these films are as great as they're often made out to be, but I still thought they were decent. Going with Apes.

I think they both deserve their reps, and then some, in Snowpiercer's case. Dawn was every bit as good as the critics have been saying it is. It's probably going to end up being this year's best summer blockbuster. I LOVE that it trusts its audience to roll with what it's laying down and the central relationship between Caesar and Koba and the Shakespearean vibes that come along with it really pulled me in. They're fucking APES, but Reeves, Serkis and Co. made sure this dude right here cared about what happened to them. I'm gonna watch it again, and then I'll watch it again, and probably again. Some good shit, that Apes movie. But Snowpiercer? Probably the best thing I've seen all year. Great cast (G-R-E-A-T), excellent direction from Joon-ho Bong in a movie that stomps all over his compatriots' English-language work (sorry fellas), perfect fucking pacing, some choice action scenes. And that ending? Balls, son. I loved it up to the point where you-know-who gets you-know-where, and then I began to worry that they had backed themselves into a corner. But then Bong put his fingers to my lips, told me to "Shh" while he whispered sweet nothings in my ear and promised me a steak dinner, and romanced me with the perfect ending - the only way it could and should have ended. I never got the steak dinner, though. Anywho, I had the biggest grin on my face when it was all over and I was shaking, I was so excited from the whole thing. Had to smoke a cigarette after that one. (No, seriously, I had to smoke one.) Dawn was a great movie, and it'll definitely end up near the top of this year's list for me, but Snowpiercer's going to go down as personal favorite. Can't wait to see it again.

Am I the only one then who thought the ending was silly? Oh great, they're free, but they're stuck with a polar bear in the middle of nowhere and most people are dead. Kind of ruins the sweetish tone it was going for, doesn't it? Seriously, that was unintentionally pessimistic. That, the tone was wildly inconsistentand the action scenes were lousy (yeah, no: extreme shaky cam, pointless slow-mo and unnecessary zoom-ins. The shootouts were certainly creative in concept but poorly executed and it seems the director wanted to shy away from the heavy violence). It had nice train sets though. I like trains. And the performances were all great, I'll give it that. Dawn was good, but I was surprisingly unengaged. Maybe it was because of the bland-as-hell human characters or because the story was kind of dull and pretty predictable. Fixing a dam for the entire second act...yawn. I dunno, I guess I get the praise for both of them, but I didn't like them nearly as much as others.

I wouldn't call the ending pessimistic. What would have been pessimistic is being stuck on the fucking train and repeating the process over and over again. They blow the fucker up and we're SUPPOSED to infer that these kids are going to be alright. Hope lies in breaking the chain and starting fresh. Sometimes when a director says "and the two lived happily ever after", he actually means it. Everything else - tone, action - that's all opinion, no sense in arguing there. But I'm 99.99% sure that Bong wants us to know that the kids will find a way. They start over and humanity's better off without the train.

...or they get eaten by that polar bear or die of starvation / cold. I dunno, that's how I see it.

Not how you're meant to take it, but that's cool, I guess.

I KNOW it wasn't meant to take it that way, I get that, but I just can't take it seriously. It's like making the ending of Spielberg's Duel a happy ending, that doesn't work either, at least not for me. Having killed that asshole in the truck is certainly nice, but it still sucks balls to be stuck in the middle of the desert. Just like being free from the train run by a dictator is nice, but it still sucks balls to be stuck in the mountains. I totally understand that Bong INTENDED it as a hopeful ending, "a new beginning", "hope for the future", "a light at the end of the tunnel", "life is beautiful", etc. etc. etc.,...but I see very little (i.e. close to zero) hope in the situation the characters were in. If it worked for you, great, I'm not trying to prove that your interpretation of the ending is wrong or that you're not supposed to like the ending, but the ending of Snowpiercer REALLY didn't work for me the way it was intended to take.

Respectfully (and I mean that wholeheartedly) agree to disagree then. I just think watching everything that's transpired and then going, "That polar bear's gonna eat 'em" is just...wrong. I dunno. We take away what we take away, so there's really no right or wrong. I think you just gotta roll with it. And either you do or you don't. But like I said man, respectfully agree to disagree. And believe me, I ain't complaining. Decent conversation around here is rarer than fucking Bigfoot nowadays, so for that, I thank you.

Well, "That polar bear's gonna eat 'em" is oversimplifying my argument a little (the "they're stuck in the mountains with no electricity, no other people and probably no food during the post-apocalypse, what are they supposed to do?" part was more important. The polar bear stuff was meant a bit more sarcastically), but it's cool. Yeah, decent conversations on this site are kind of dead nowadays, it really needs a forum or something. Not to backstab the Flickchart staff (although I still use their site and some of them have used the site I'll mention as well, so they probably don't care much), but you should consider joining Letterboxd. There is a lot more activity (i.e. conversing, reviews, lists, games, etc.) over there and a lot of other Flickchart users (the cool ones) use it as well. It's cool beans, man. I say cool a lot.

Dawn was a fun experience but it felt way too safe. I'll take a movie with balls and axes over safe anyday.

Both movies had action, great performances, and great world building but I ultimately give the edge to Dawn for better cinematography (Snowpiercer's action scenes suffers from claustrophobic camerawork, shaky-cam, and lighting issues)

I have to go with Apes, though Snowpiercer was good too.

I loved the depth of the ape characters in Dawn, but the humans were basically sidelined into one dimensional roles. Even though Snowpiercer had less finesse on the technical side, I thought the story was more interesting, and cared more about the characters.

I'll go with Snowpiercer.

Snowpiercer wins.

Apes on horses!

Dawn of the Planet of the Apes is the better dystopian themed movie in my mind.

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Snowpiercer thought outside the box. A brilliant, unique film with more depth wins this. Dawn was a good sequel but it didn't open any new windows. The original Planet of the Apes was comparable to Snowpiercer.

Yeah, Snowpiercer was a slog to get through. Granted, it took me three attempts to get through, and each time I was out of it, but an entertaining film would've snapped me out of being out of it. I only really dug the last 30 minutes or so, and even then my digging was halfhearted. I liked the ending, I guess, though I wouldn't say it was bleak and pessimistic nor particularly hopeful. The sanest interpretation of the polar bear is adaptation and survival in harsh conditions, but it's no romanticised ending. It's pretty much... 'Hey, the vast majority of humanity just died, your heroes are flawed and/or dead, your vessel of redemption is fucked, but you've spent the last 18 years being shafted so you might as well try to make a new life in slightly more expansive, but equally - albeit differently - fucked up conditions.' There were enough sacrifices up until that point that I could get behind the ending, and I'm content knowing that the remaining few survivors may or may not make it. Anyway, Dawn is actually entertaining, and that's all I can ask for.

Snowpiercer is amazing. It's Mad Max meets Divergent.